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Yeah, this analysis is understandable. It’s also almost totally wrong.

Yes, this is an imperialist war. Putin’s motivations are based on an imperialist mindset, most specifically great Russian chauvinism, old ideas of the triune nation, etc.

If you want to read a work of Mearsheimer that gives you some insight into what’s going on, I suggest this one from 1993:

https://www.mearsheimer.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Mearsheimer-Case-for-Ukrainian-Nuclear-Deterrent.pdf

Mearsheimer gets a lot of things wrong in there (a result of his ignorance of Ukrainian politics, an ignorance he acknowledges) but one of the things he gets right is that Russia sees Ukrainian sovereignty as… temporary. Or conditional.

I just can’t understand why leftists use Mearsheimer in the first place. His position, which he has repeatedly stated, is that the US policy toward Russia should be to give Russia what it wants, so that Russia will be on the US’ side against China. It’s a pure Cold War mindset of a kind with the worst that Kissinger could offer.

And the notion that Russia wasn’t trying to take over Ukraine because it couldn’t have controlled Ukraine with just 120k combat troops is nonsense. The stance of every serious analyst other than Mearsheimer is that Putin planned on Ukrainian resistance collapsing; something like a slightly-more-violent and larger scale version of what happened in Crimea in 2014. Given what happened, it sounds like an idiotic expectation, but that expectation was a widespread even in the west, and even in the Pentagon. However, it was actually partially fulfilled in Southern Ukraine, where some units did not do the bare minimum to halt the invasion e.g. through the destruction of roads and bridges. When Mearsheimer makes this argument, he is trying to overcome the fact that he was downplaying the possibility of a Russian invasion up until the point when it actually happened.

I mean, at the end of the day this is an imperialist war. You’ve got the US with client states like Poland and then you’ve got Russia with far more clienty-client states like Belarus. Ukrainians looked north, and they looked west. And they decided they wanted to be like Poland, and not Belarus, for fairly obvious material reasons. The reason this war is happening is because that rational and internally-motivated push by Ukrainians contradicts Putin’s understanding of how Russia and Ukraine should relate.

Ukrainians have favored negotiations to end the war for over a year now at least. The question is: on what conditions? Many who favor negotiations reject some territorial concessions. Some reject any territorial concessions (even Crimea!). The vast majority reject a peace that leaves them without an ironclad security guarantee from the west, such as bare-bones tripwire forces… a thing the Kremlin has rejected outright. And really that should tell you all you need to know about Putin’s territorial ambitions.

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Exactly how I see it too. I've had a serious argument with someone in our Palestine support group over this. He accused me, with disgust, of being a "tankie" for saying that Putin had a point. People do not connect these wars. But, of course, they ARE linked particularly through countries such as Germany, the US and Britain.

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