Exactly how I see it too. I've had a serious argument with someone in our Palestine support group over this. He accused me, with disgust, of being a "tankie" for saying that Putin had a point. People do not connect these wars. But, of course, they ARE linked particularly through countries such as Germany, the US and Britain.
"I’m tired of the pretence that a proxy war which has now lasted longer that the first world war is a righteous battle against evil for the soul of the world."
Man, I was tired of the Zio Imperialist proxy war on Russia via a neo Nazi Ukraine regime about one week after it started.
There's nothing to apologize for in opposing what is clearly an Imperialist proxy war.
If anything I think the real danger is the fake left effort from the start to divide and conquer the anti war movement by casting this war on Russia as somehow a "good" Imperialist war, while deeming that some (largely of the Trump is blundering it variety) opposition to the Imperialist war on Iran is "left" and credible.
The reality: we are actually in WW3 between the Zio Imperialists (US, Israel, Europe) and the non Imperialist block (China Russia Iran). As in WW2 you either support the Allies or the Axis. Any waffling about this or that particular party only aids Zio Imperialism, which is why we get this juvenile "evil Russia" crap and if we oppose the Imperialist war on them, we are called reactionary white nationalist traitors.
"this war on Russia".......I seem to recall it was Russia that invaded Ukraine and is still there. As for Russia being non-imperialist - where to start - it is no diff from the USA - except it went west-east a century earlier than those on the east cost of America.
Thank you, Nate, for a very well-written article. Personally, my general view is even more supportive of Russia (in this matter), and more critical of the US and Europe, than you present. By the way, the usual numbers of casualties that I have read, in the Donbass, caused by Ukrainian projectiles, ranges from 10,000 to 15,000 (not "hundred").
I wouldn't worry about any criticisms from allegedly "anti-war" liberals or any criticisms from reactionary Trumptards either. I watched the libs clap like seals when B Clinton obliterated former Yugoslavia, when their hero Sanders supported it, when their hero Obama bombed one country after the next and so on- the liberal class are a bunch of hypocrites.
I watched the Repub scum cheer lead like maniacs when the various Bush clan members annihilated Iraq and too many other murder sprees to cite here. They too are a bunch of troglodyte war mongers.
With all of this very few know much actual history and the unremitting violence that defines the USA.
As for the Ukraine proxy war, for starters to say Russia "invaded Ukraine" is to ignore not only decades of history in that region but also to sidestep around non-stop provocations.
Not to mention the CIA has been working in Ukraine for 70 years to bring Russia down.
"As for the Ukraine proxy war, for starters to say Russia "invaded Ukraine" is to ignore not only decades of history in that region".......well Russia did invade, .decades of history - so 1934 when Russia tried to wipe out Ukraine through starvation is that one of the things we have ignored? Or the treaty in the mid-1990s when Ukraine gave up its nukes (in return for territorial guarantees from Russia .. guess we have ignored that as well..??
The Russian leadership is dithering and indecisive. They do not want to fight the West but to be allowed to join it. They still see Ukrainians as strayed brethren.
Compare civilian casualties in Ukraine (even using Kiev's numbers) with Gaza.
Needless to see, Washington, Brussels and Kiev see this, not as reasonableness or humanitarianism, but as contemptible weakness, and smell blood.
1994 Ukraine: "The nuclear arsenal that was on Ukrainian territory consisted of the following: 130 SS-19 and 46 SS-24 intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs) with 1,240 warheads, and 44 Tupolev-95 and Tupolev-160 strategic bombers (with 1,081 nuclear cruise missiles)." You said no means of delivery - looks to me like they had. Maybe the Russians held the ignition keys?
Like I said and you just proved Americans know not only zero history but have replaced that with swallowing propaganda, regurgitating it and claiming that's history.
Next up I suppose you pull up some propaganda from Solzhenitsyn.
The war in Ukraine is a US war. We have missles along Russia's border. We provide the weaponry just as we provide billions of dollars to Israel. The US is a sick terrorist nation.
what weapons is the USA supplying? It supplied some in 2022 and 2023, things then dried up in 2024. The vast majority of weapons & funding come from the EU, UK, Norway, Canada & Australia to name but some, The US supplies almost nothing - but is very keen to learn about drone warfare from the Ukranians. Ukraine is not a US war, it is a European war, funded by the EU & UK.
The United States has committed over $67 billion in military assistance to Ukraine since 2022, supplying items like Patriot and NASAMS air defense systems, AIM-7, AIM-9M, and RIM-7 missiles, Hundreds of thousands of 155mm and 105mm shells, GMLRS for HIMARS, and mortar rounds, Abrams tanks, Bradley infantry fighting vehicles, and Stryker vehicles, and F-16 fighter jet equipment, JDAM-ER guided bombs, HARM anti-radiation missiles, and tactical drones.
But other than that nothing.
A significant portion of the "European supplies" that are keeping Ukraine stocked with American armaments is routed directly through a specialized NATO-managed procurement framework called the Prioritized Ukraine Requirements List (PURL).
Rather than the U.S. government paying for the weapons, European nations and international allies are providing the cash to buy American hardware.
The PURL Mechanism (buying American with Euro cash) was launched as an alternative to direct U.S. military aid, PURL allows European states and partners to directly fund Ukrainian purchases of U.S.-made weapons.
US allies have used PURL to purchase over $6.7 billion in U.S. weapons for Ukraine. PURL currently finances 75% of all Patriot interceptor missiles and 90% of other advanced air defense missiles supplied to Ukraine.
I tend not to cast aspersions - the conflict is too serious for that. As I said, this is a European war, funded by Europe. As for the Patriots - there are none - your commander in chief seems to have shot many of them @ Iran.
I don't care what you tend to do. Educate yourself.
Right now you are allied with the most barbaric and insidious class of mass murderers on the planet.
I don't have a commander in chief and have never supported US imperialism or either Kabuki party of the State.
It's not a "conflict"- it's mass murder for US geopolitical objectives. Try connecting a few dots after you learn some factual history instead of your inane assumptions based on cartoon history.
"you are allied with the most barbaric and insidious class of mass murderers on the planet." - wot the Russians? nope, I support the Ukranians who don't want to be reintegrated into Russia. "US geopolitical objectives" - hmm they have some? Tell me how are things working out with Iran?
I hope those who proclaim, "democracy for Ukraine" when it's actually a )ewish-Zio-NAZI inner circle laundering our tax dollars to Israel and Ki!!ing Slavs has also been their thing, are proud of themselves. Bolsheviks...)ewish Zionists who slaughtered millions of Russians before. Heard 2 days ago the KIA is now at 3 million not counting the crippled and traumatized. Makes me despise the "liberal" ignorant proclaiming "democracy" waving their blue & yellow flags even more.
This aligns quite well with my opinion on the Ukraine (or US and its lackeys versus Russia) war. ... and the US is preparing the same against China with its other lackeys.
Western Capitalism delusion to get rid on the world die in ucraine, cuz in reality most in west when talk about "the world" are limited to G7 feudalist walls, try to expand wars to MO and Asia its the orove of them desperation. USUK progect its in the terminal state, only can destabilize, not impose, most in Asia and MO don't want that, and will not allow it for to long, have short legs to go anywhere and now the global south has hard and shaply elements to defend itself and even stop that, call it Iran, China, Russia, Brasil, Indis, I mean BRICS and all the Associations related working outside Swift. This is to much for what falling Capitalism can bit.
Siomasson capitalism has not the necessary cards to break that. Stability give more money, wealthness and standards of life for all this peoples instead Capitalism warmongers/terrorism/ists. And who sustain BRICS have even the weapons to do it. Capitalism destabilization has shory life ahead. Ucraina issue is dead, its only connectet to ITC machines, call it FED FMI, even this goes ahead for short time. No smerica, nor EU, less Ucraine can decide or stop the changes going on. And them know it. You are seen Capitalism Imperialism last days.
Talk about Ucraina or Russia "injustified" reactions..comon,even children at school laugh on that, are only discurses to fulfill western Info and MSM Morgans&Murdochs News empire dictature. Doesn't works anymore outside G7 feudalist walls. The whole Eorld changed. Don't be affraid about what you think. The sun can't be hiden back one finger. No more.
Russian July casualties were 42k for almost no territorial gain. This web site provides a fair view of what is happening: https://understandingwar.org/ as does this one https://www.youtube.com/@PerunAU It would be better if there had been no war. I fear that there is no end in sight and like the 30 years war, it may become generalised. All because of Putin. He decided to start it.
To be honest, every war that has been waged has begun by Jews. Roosevelt caused Japan to attack Pearl Harbor. Roosevelt was a Jew. Putin is a Jew, and Trump is a Jew from birth in fact, not from 2017.
Zelenskyy is a Jew who actually admits that Ukraine needs to be for the Israelis. So in my humble opinion as the publisher of top secret history I am, these leaders want to eradicate the Christians from Ukraine so the Israelis can occupy the whole country.
In 2024 I met a Ukrainian woman who is married to a Frenchman, and they live in the UK. I think her life will be spared because she lives here. Her life would not be spared if she was in Ukraine.
Exactly how I see it too. I've had a serious argument with someone in our Palestine support group over this. He accused me, with disgust, of being a "tankie" for saying that Putin had a point. People do not connect these wars. But, of course, they ARE linked particularly through countries such as Germany, the US and Britain.
Delusional Americans will hate you for this because it is the truth they don't want to face.
No criticism from me Nate. Good article!
"I’m tired of the pretence that a proxy war which has now lasted longer that the first world war is a righteous battle against evil for the soul of the world."
Man, I was tired of the Zio Imperialist proxy war on Russia via a neo Nazi Ukraine regime about one week after it started.
There's nothing to apologize for in opposing what is clearly an Imperialist proxy war.
If anything I think the real danger is the fake left effort from the start to divide and conquer the anti war movement by casting this war on Russia as somehow a "good" Imperialist war, while deeming that some (largely of the Trump is blundering it variety) opposition to the Imperialist war on Iran is "left" and credible.
The reality: we are actually in WW3 between the Zio Imperialists (US, Israel, Europe) and the non Imperialist block (China Russia Iran). As in WW2 you either support the Allies or the Axis. Any waffling about this or that particular party only aids Zio Imperialism, which is why we get this juvenile "evil Russia" crap and if we oppose the Imperialist war on them, we are called reactionary white nationalist traitors.
"this war on Russia".......I seem to recall it was Russia that invaded Ukraine and is still there. As for Russia being non-imperialist - where to start - it is no diff from the USA - except it went west-east a century earlier than those on the east cost of America.
You might want to do a little more research. Start at least at 2014, trigger.
Thank you, Nate, for a very well-written article. Personally, my general view is even more supportive of Russia (in this matter), and more critical of the US and Europe, than you present. By the way, the usual numbers of casualties that I have read, in the Donbass, caused by Ukrainian projectiles, ranges from 10,000 to 15,000 (not "hundred").
I wouldn't worry about any criticisms from allegedly "anti-war" liberals or any criticisms from reactionary Trumptards either. I watched the libs clap like seals when B Clinton obliterated former Yugoslavia, when their hero Sanders supported it, when their hero Obama bombed one country after the next and so on- the liberal class are a bunch of hypocrites.
I watched the Repub scum cheer lead like maniacs when the various Bush clan members annihilated Iraq and too many other murder sprees to cite here. They too are a bunch of troglodyte war mongers.
With all of this very few know much actual history and the unremitting violence that defines the USA.
As for the Ukraine proxy war, for starters to say Russia "invaded Ukraine" is to ignore not only decades of history in that region but also to sidestep around non-stop provocations.
Not to mention the CIA has been working in Ukraine for 70 years to bring Russia down.
Ukraine: The CIA’s 75-year-old Proxy
https://mronline.org/2022/09/14/ukraine/
"As for the Ukraine proxy war, for starters to say Russia "invaded Ukraine" is to ignore not only decades of history in that region".......well Russia did invade, .decades of history - so 1934 when Russia tried to wipe out Ukraine through starvation is that one of the things we have ignored? Or the treaty in the mid-1990s when Ukraine gave up its nukes (in return for territorial guarantees from Russia .. guess we have ignored that as well..??
Nobody "tried to wipe out Ukraine". The areas of what is now Ukraine that suffered the most were some of the most Russified.
Ukraine in the 1990s had no means of delivering nuclear weapons, and no means of controlling what weapons it had.
Well said. One thing I could never understand, why has it dragged on so long.
The Russian leadership is dithering and indecisive. They do not want to fight the West but to be allowed to join it. They still see Ukrainians as strayed brethren.
Compare civilian casualties in Ukraine (even using Kiev's numbers) with Gaza.
Needless to see, Washington, Brussels and Kiev see this, not as reasonableness or humanitarianism, but as contemptible weakness, and smell blood.
1994 Ukraine: "The nuclear arsenal that was on Ukrainian territory consisted of the following: 130 SS-19 and 46 SS-24 intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs) with 1,240 warheads, and 44 Tupolev-95 and Tupolev-160 strategic bombers (with 1,081 nuclear cruise missiles)." You said no means of delivery - looks to me like they had. Maybe the Russians held the ignition keys?
Yes, Russians had the controls to those missiles, not to mention the tracking, satellites, etc.. A missile that you cannot aim is useless.
Like I said and you just proved Americans know not only zero history but have replaced that with swallowing propaganda, regurgitating it and claiming that's history.
Next up I suppose you pull up some propaganda from Solzhenitsyn.
Great article! Thank you!
The war in Ukraine is a US war. We have missles along Russia's border. We provide the weaponry just as we provide billions of dollars to Israel. The US is a sick terrorist nation.
what weapons is the USA supplying? It supplied some in 2022 and 2023, things then dried up in 2024. The vast majority of weapons & funding come from the EU, UK, Norway, Canada & Australia to name but some, The US supplies almost nothing - but is very keen to learn about drone warfare from the Ukranians. Ukraine is not a US war, it is a European war, funded by the EU & UK.
Those Patriots that Ukraine fires? Those F-16s that were so hyped? Those tanks that are so often destroyed?
Not to mention American SigInt, intelligence and satellite recon.
The United States has committed over $67 billion in military assistance to Ukraine since 2022, supplying items like Patriot and NASAMS air defense systems, AIM-7, AIM-9M, and RIM-7 missiles, Hundreds of thousands of 155mm and 105mm shells, GMLRS for HIMARS, and mortar rounds, Abrams tanks, Bradley infantry fighting vehicles, and Stryker vehicles, and F-16 fighter jet equipment, JDAM-ER guided bombs, HARM anti-radiation missiles, and tactical drones.
But other than that nothing.
A significant portion of the "European supplies" that are keeping Ukraine stocked with American armaments is routed directly through a specialized NATO-managed procurement framework called the Prioritized Ukraine Requirements List (PURL).
Rather than the U.S. government paying for the weapons, European nations and international allies are providing the cash to buy American hardware.
The PURL Mechanism (buying American with Euro cash) was launched as an alternative to direct U.S. military aid, PURL allows European states and partners to directly fund Ukrainian purchases of U.S.-made weapons.
US allies have used PURL to purchase over $6.7 billion in U.S. weapons for Ukraine. PURL currently finances 75% of all Patriot interceptor missiles and 90% of other advanced air defense missiles supplied to Ukraine.
You don't seem to know anything except TV slop.
I tend not to cast aspersions - the conflict is too serious for that. As I said, this is a European war, funded by Europe. As for the Patriots - there are none - your commander in chief seems to have shot many of them @ Iran.
I don't care what you tend to do. Educate yourself.
Right now you are allied with the most barbaric and insidious class of mass murderers on the planet.
I don't have a commander in chief and have never supported US imperialism or either Kabuki party of the State.
It's not a "conflict"- it's mass murder for US geopolitical objectives. Try connecting a few dots after you learn some factual history instead of your inane assumptions based on cartoon history.
"you are allied with the most barbaric and insidious class of mass murderers on the planet." - wot the Russians? nope, I support the Ukranians who don't want to be reintegrated into Russia. "US geopolitical objectives" - hmm they have some? Tell me how are things working out with Iran?
Well said. I am glad I subscribed.
I hope those who proclaim, "democracy for Ukraine" when it's actually a )ewish-Zio-NAZI inner circle laundering our tax dollars to Israel and Ki!!ing Slavs has also been their thing, are proud of themselves. Bolsheviks...)ewish Zionists who slaughtered millions of Russians before. Heard 2 days ago the KIA is now at 3 million not counting the crippled and traumatized. Makes me despise the "liberal" ignorant proclaiming "democracy" waving their blue & yellow flags even more.
This aligns quite well with my opinion on the Ukraine (or US and its lackeys versus Russia) war. ... and the US is preparing the same against China with its other lackeys.
Western Capitalism delusion to get rid on the world die in ucraine, cuz in reality most in west when talk about "the world" are limited to G7 feudalist walls, try to expand wars to MO and Asia its the orove of them desperation. USUK progect its in the terminal state, only can destabilize, not impose, most in Asia and MO don't want that, and will not allow it for to long, have short legs to go anywhere and now the global south has hard and shaply elements to defend itself and even stop that, call it Iran, China, Russia, Brasil, Indis, I mean BRICS and all the Associations related working outside Swift. This is to much for what falling Capitalism can bit.
Siomasson capitalism has not the necessary cards to break that. Stability give more money, wealthness and standards of life for all this peoples instead Capitalism warmongers/terrorism/ists. And who sustain BRICS have even the weapons to do it. Capitalism destabilization has shory life ahead. Ucraina issue is dead, its only connectet to ITC machines, call it FED FMI, even this goes ahead for short time. No smerica, nor EU, less Ucraine can decide or stop the changes going on. And them know it. You are seen Capitalism Imperialism last days.
Talk about Ucraina or Russia "injustified" reactions..comon,even children at school laugh on that, are only discurses to fulfill western Info and MSM Morgans&Murdochs News empire dictature. Doesn't works anymore outside G7 feudalist walls. The whole Eorld changed. Don't be affraid about what you think. The sun can't be hiden back one finger. No more.
Sorry, Russia is ‘Winning’ https://medium.com/@markweaver_2582/sorry-russia-is-winning-7614d0519130
Russian July casualties were 42k for almost no territorial gain. This web site provides a fair view of what is happening: https://understandingwar.org/ as does this one https://www.youtube.com/@PerunAU It would be better if there had been no war. I fear that there is no end in sight and like the 30 years war, it may become generalised. All because of Putin. He decided to start it.
I concur 100%
To be honest, every war that has been waged has begun by Jews. Roosevelt caused Japan to attack Pearl Harbor. Roosevelt was a Jew. Putin is a Jew, and Trump is a Jew from birth in fact, not from 2017.
Zelenskyy is a Jew who actually admits that Ukraine needs to be for the Israelis. So in my humble opinion as the publisher of top secret history I am, these leaders want to eradicate the Christians from Ukraine so the Israelis can occupy the whole country.
In 2024 I met a Ukrainian woman who is married to a Frenchman, and they live in the UK. I think her life will be spared because she lives here. Her life would not be spared if she was in Ukraine.
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