I have tried to talk to my grown children about all of this but it goes on deaf ears. I won't stop but I'm afraid that survival in the short term takes precedence over any concerns for the long term in most peoples lives now. Few care about what will happen a decade from now, because what is happening today and tomorrow is all that matters. Very few even think about next week. For those of us who know what's coming, prepare and survive as best as you can. Maybe there will be enough survivors left by the end of this century to try again.
I’m 28 and the bulk of my friends are choosing not to have kids, but they also think I’m a doomer for talking about how bad things are going to get because of climate change within our lifetimes.
I’m also the only one still taking Covid precautions.
I kind of understand the mindset - worrying about Covid sucks and it’s annoying to plan my life around. But… I don’t want to risk my ability to work, or spread a dangerous virus around to other people so I deal with it.
I’m 43 and had only one child. Since he was born, I’ve been plagued with guilt over bringing him into a broken world and fear over what his future will look like. It’s terrifying and I have a small community of likeminded, COVID cautious, environmentally aware, parents that are desperate for a better world, but it feels like the system is rigged and controlled by the elite. I read this piece and this at the end: “We need to change our own behaviours. And we don’t need to, nor should we wait for the system to change to make those changes.” But how?? Which ones do we change? How do we make changes to the system? As one family with meager means (I’m disabled and unable to work), what can we do? I share stuff on social media, talk to people, I write my govt reps constantly, sign petitions, donate money to climate orgs, but what else can we do?? I’ll do almost anything to ensure my child has a future.
I like how optimistic this started out, do you really think there’s a chance that a child born today might not see societal collapse? I am 51 years old and I’m assuming it’s going to happen before I die. It would be amazing if my niece didn’t have to be around for it, but I don’t think we’re gonna last that long.
I enjoy snacking on raw almond and the last two bags of almonds I bought contained nothing but skinny, flat, sometimes deformed almonds. They taste ok it’s just that there’s nothing to them. I gave some to the squirrels and they looked confused.
I think almonds are over because of the climate. This is upsetting as I have switched to almond milk because I’m not interested in contracting H5N1 from dirty cow milk. I’ve been wanting to be vegan for years, thanks to the death of public health I’ve finally made the leap. They found prion disease in cows in Tennessee last year and we never heard about it again. I have a hard time believing it was just a cow or two and that was it.
I'm in my late 70s and I believe I'm watching it now. Things happen slowly, imperceptibly, for a long time, then suddenly all at once. If we can perceive it, it's unfolding as we speak.
Yes it is, and maybe I’m sensitive to it because I feel currently directly threatened. Even little things, like I’m a disabled person who takes multiple medication‘s and we have such a shortage of pharmacists here in the state that I live in that none of the pharmacies are really open on Sundays anymore, none of the ones I use anyway. They don’t stay open as late anymore, they shut down their drive-through whenever they are shortstaffed and I really hate going inside. But last week I got really freaked out because they filled a prescription and then when we went to see if it was ready the pharmacy had closed suddenly for the day. No idea when it’s going to open again, and it wasn’t a prescription I could just pick up somewhere else my doctor would have to resend it, someone would have to cancel the when they filled so my insurance company would pay for it, it was scary. Not to mention drug shortages. And the fact that when I go to the ER in an ambulance I go sit in the waiting room with everyone else because there’s literally no place to put people coming in by ambulance until someone leaves.
And this is just selfish little things that affect me personally in my corner of the US. I know it’s a lot worse for a lot of other people in a lot of places
Here are some stories of Americans from this summer-
Parents killed their baby last month. They took the baby on the boat in Lake Havasu, it was 120 degrees.
The motorcycle rider who died in Death Valley.
All of the American hikers who died in Greece.
The hiker who died in San Diego.
Americans in general have very little respect for water, heat, cold and fire.
All of the people who died from cold
In the horrible storm in Buffalo in 2022. People froze to death in their cars. One a few feet from his home.
The collapse is happening all around us.
I remember the first earth day in the 1970’s. We had a class in junior high about the environment. I knew that we would collapse and hoped that I would be dead before the worst of it. I was 13. I am now 61. And seeing the worst of it…
Today I thought about the other great extinctions we've leaned about through the fossil and geologic records and the only comfort I could feel was that in every case the planet recovered and life became ever more abundant and beautiful in the new world which emerged - after millions of years. I've thought for decades that humans are acting like an agent of evolution. What we are doing will change everything forever, and we won't see the new world that emerges, but if the sun and moon behave chances are we aren't turning Earth into Venus, and there will continue to be life and beauty here.
The dinosaurs turned into birds. What will mammals become, and what new creature will one day look at what we left behind and wonder...?
The “left” never fought Covid? No one in the USA fought Covid cause no lives matter.
Not Black lives, not white lives, not the lives of Native Americans, or the lives of Pacific Islanders, or the lives of the incarcerated, or the lives of people who live in cities, or people who live in rural areas, or the lives of republicans, or the lives of democrats, or the lives of American nazis, or the lives of socialists, or the lives of the elderly, or the lives of children, or the lives of people who are poor, or the lives of the rich…
No life matters in America
Ps- I worked for the Minnesota Department of health from 2019-2021. The lack of caring for children’s lives broke me. Working there, I realized that no life matters in America.
We may not have food shortages as we may have many fewer people to feed.
Covid will continue to evolve and kill. It also is killing many Americans due to sarscov2 staying in our bodies, like many viruses. The list of diseases that Covid causes is too long for this post. I have long covid and I had sepsis last summer. I live 5 minutes from a decent regional hospital, and I got to the hospital in time. Many people don’t. Especially our poor people who are incarcerated. Dying from sepsis is considered natural causes. I wish I was kidding.
There maybe fewer humans as covid destroys the placenta leading to still births and early delivery- preemies who don’t survive.
Oh! And Covid damages our ability to make serotonin- so there are more suicides and murders.
Wars and environmental disasters will continue to kill.
People will continue to die in human crushes.
That said- babies born today will see the collapse. But food shortages may not be a problem - anyway, there is always Soylent green.
UN Warned of Total Societal Collapse in 2022: "Existing global policies are accelerating toward the collapse of human civilisation… The report does not suggest that this outcome is inevitable… But without radical change, that’s where the world is heading."
There are two sun's in the sky. One shines common prosperity and harmony upon us and the other dumps endless war and depravity. The latter's sunset can't arrive soon enough.
"I wanted to write this because I have the sense that since the explosion of climate activism in 2018-2019, the end of the world has fallen out of the headlines."
I genuinely think the Covid pandemic was exploited by governments and business/ media elites to draw attention away from climate activism. In retrospect I wonder if I and other young and relatively healthy members of XR should have kept protesting outside. There were, however, a lot of elderly and immuno-compromised members of my local group.
OK, let's look at what's been done so far. Greenhouse gases are down by how much? Oh, wait . . . they are at record levels. How many coal plants have been taken out of service? Oooppsi, lod ones ate being restarted and China has plans to open more.
Surely enter all these COP meetings and dire warnings something has been accomplished? No, last year was record hot and this year looks worse . . .
Face it. Nothing has been done. The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. What conclusions can we draw from these facts?
Doom. It's over. Only a matter of time, not "If" its going to happen. It already has happened.
I have tried to talk to my grown children about all of this but it goes on deaf ears. I won't stop but I'm afraid that survival in the short term takes precedence over any concerns for the long term in most peoples lives now. Few care about what will happen a decade from now, because what is happening today and tomorrow is all that matters. Very few even think about next week. For those of us who know what's coming, prepare and survive as best as you can. Maybe there will be enough survivors left by the end of this century to try again.
I’m 28 and the bulk of my friends are choosing not to have kids, but they also think I’m a doomer for talking about how bad things are going to get because of climate change within our lifetimes.
I’m also the only one still taking Covid precautions.
I kind of understand the mindset - worrying about Covid sucks and it’s annoying to plan my life around. But… I don’t want to risk my ability to work, or spread a dangerous virus around to other people so I deal with it.
I’m 43 and had only one child. Since he was born, I’ve been plagued with guilt over bringing him into a broken world and fear over what his future will look like. It’s terrifying and I have a small community of likeminded, COVID cautious, environmentally aware, parents that are desperate for a better world, but it feels like the system is rigged and controlled by the elite. I read this piece and this at the end: “We need to change our own behaviours. And we don’t need to, nor should we wait for the system to change to make those changes.” But how?? Which ones do we change? How do we make changes to the system? As one family with meager means (I’m disabled and unable to work), what can we do? I share stuff on social media, talk to people, I write my govt reps constantly, sign petitions, donate money to climate orgs, but what else can we do?? I’ll do almost anything to ensure my child has a future.
My son is 31. He is quite aware that we have created our own doom.
I like how optimistic this started out, do you really think there’s a chance that a child born today might not see societal collapse? I am 51 years old and I’m assuming it’s going to happen before I die. It would be amazing if my niece didn’t have to be around for it, but I don’t think we’re gonna last that long.
I enjoy snacking on raw almond and the last two bags of almonds I bought contained nothing but skinny, flat, sometimes deformed almonds. They taste ok it’s just that there’s nothing to them. I gave some to the squirrels and they looked confused.
I think almonds are over because of the climate. This is upsetting as I have switched to almond milk because I’m not interested in contracting H5N1 from dirty cow milk. I’ve been wanting to be vegan for years, thanks to the death of public health I’ve finally made the leap. They found prion disease in cows in Tennessee last year and we never heard about it again. I have a hard time believing it was just a cow or two and that was it.
I'm in my late 70s and I believe I'm watching it now. Things happen slowly, imperceptibly, for a long time, then suddenly all at once. If we can perceive it, it's unfolding as we speak.
Yes it is, and maybe I’m sensitive to it because I feel currently directly threatened. Even little things, like I’m a disabled person who takes multiple medication‘s and we have such a shortage of pharmacists here in the state that I live in that none of the pharmacies are really open on Sundays anymore, none of the ones I use anyway. They don’t stay open as late anymore, they shut down their drive-through whenever they are shortstaffed and I really hate going inside. But last week I got really freaked out because they filled a prescription and then when we went to see if it was ready the pharmacy had closed suddenly for the day. No idea when it’s going to open again, and it wasn’t a prescription I could just pick up somewhere else my doctor would have to resend it, someone would have to cancel the when they filled so my insurance company would pay for it, it was scary. Not to mention drug shortages. And the fact that when I go to the ER in an ambulance I go sit in the waiting room with everyone else because there’s literally no place to put people coming in by ambulance until someone leaves.
And this is just selfish little things that affect me personally in my corner of the US. I know it’s a lot worse for a lot of other people in a lot of places
It is happening now. People are in denial.
Here are some stories of Americans from this summer-
Parents killed their baby last month. They took the baby on the boat in Lake Havasu, it was 120 degrees.
The motorcycle rider who died in Death Valley.
All of the American hikers who died in Greece.
The hiker who died in San Diego.
Americans in general have very little respect for water, heat, cold and fire.
All of the people who died from cold
In the horrible storm in Buffalo in 2022. People froze to death in their cars. One a few feet from his home.
The collapse is happening all around us.
I remember the first earth day in the 1970’s. We had a class in junior high about the environment. I knew that we would collapse and hoped that I would be dead before the worst of it. I was 13. I am now 61. And seeing the worst of it…
You know, I hope we are seeing the worst of it.
Today I thought about the other great extinctions we've leaned about through the fossil and geologic records and the only comfort I could feel was that in every case the planet recovered and life became ever more abundant and beautiful in the new world which emerged - after millions of years. I've thought for decades that humans are acting like an agent of evolution. What we are doing will change everything forever, and we won't see the new world that emerges, but if the sun and moon behave chances are we aren't turning Earth into Venus, and there will continue to be life and beauty here.
The dinosaurs turned into birds. What will mammals become, and what new creature will one day look at what we left behind and wonder...?
Another brilliant article Nate.
Note though that individuals changing behaviour has never been a route to real change. It's collective action resulting from organisation that did it.
That's our problem now. The Left never fought Covid. Now it seems we are on our own.
Individuals change nothing without collective action.
The “left” never fought Covid? No one in the USA fought Covid cause no lives matter.
Not Black lives, not white lives, not the lives of Native Americans, or the lives of Pacific Islanders, or the lives of the incarcerated, or the lives of people who live in cities, or people who live in rural areas, or the lives of republicans, or the lives of democrats, or the lives of American nazis, or the lives of socialists, or the lives of the elderly, or the lives of children, or the lives of people who are poor, or the lives of the rich…
No life matters in America
Ps- I worked for the Minnesota Department of health from 2019-2021. The lack of caring for children’s lives broke me. Working there, I realized that no life matters in America.
What do you make of Tim Walz re covid and public health?
What do you think?
Well, really, it’s “no lives matter at the expense of this quarter’s profits”
Gotta keep that economy moving, even if it kills us!
We may not have food shortages as we may have many fewer people to feed.
Covid will continue to evolve and kill. It also is killing many Americans due to sarscov2 staying in our bodies, like many viruses. The list of diseases that Covid causes is too long for this post. I have long covid and I had sepsis last summer. I live 5 minutes from a decent regional hospital, and I got to the hospital in time. Many people don’t. Especially our poor people who are incarcerated. Dying from sepsis is considered natural causes. I wish I was kidding.
There maybe fewer humans as covid destroys the placenta leading to still births and early delivery- preemies who don’t survive.
Oh! And Covid damages our ability to make serotonin- so there are more suicides and murders.
Wars and environmental disasters will continue to kill.
People will continue to die in human crushes.
That said- babies born today will see the collapse. But food shortages may not be a problem - anyway, there is always Soylent green.
UN Warned of Total Societal Collapse in 2022: "Existing global policies are accelerating toward the collapse of human civilisation… The report does not suggest that this outcome is inevitable… But without radical change, that’s where the world is heading."
https://www.undrr.org/publication/global-assessment-report-disaster-risk-reduction-2022
There are two sun's in the sky. One shines common prosperity and harmony upon us and the other dumps endless war and depravity. The latter's sunset can't arrive soon enough.
"I wanted to write this because I have the sense that since the explosion of climate activism in 2018-2019, the end of the world has fallen out of the headlines."
I genuinely think the Covid pandemic was exploited by governments and business/ media elites to draw attention away from climate activism. In retrospect I wonder if I and other young and relatively healthy members of XR should have kept protesting outside. There were, however, a lot of elderly and immuno-compromised members of my local group.
Covid blunted things but the fact it hasn't got going again in any significant way since suggests a bunch of other dynamics are at work
OK, let's look at what's been done so far. Greenhouse gases are down by how much? Oh, wait . . . they are at record levels. How many coal plants have been taken out of service? Oooppsi, lod ones ate being restarted and China has plans to open more.
Surely enter all these COP meetings and dire warnings something has been accomplished? No, last year was record hot and this year looks worse . . .
Face it. Nothing has been done. The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. What conclusions can we draw from these facts?
Doom. It's over. Only a matter of time, not "If" its going to happen. It already has happened.